AC - Deutz - Agco History Question

When Allis Chalmers sold their tractor division to Deutz in the mid 80's, I gather the West Allis plant finished out the year making green AC
tractors with Deutz labeling? After which all production was stopped. From that time on - all Deutz-Allis tractors came from Germany?

Question is - once the factory in West Allis shut down under Deutz, was that the total end of Allis Chalmers designed tractors and everything
from Deutz Allis in Germany was of Deutz design? Or were models/designs just transferred to Germany and manufactured?

If Deutz used AC designs in Germany - was that influence still in play when Agco bought out the Duetz-Allis tractor line? If not, then did Agco
get the Deutz-Allis tractors and factories, etc.

I'm a little confused on the Agco lineage from AC. I know they had the Gleaner side - which I assume was still part of AC prior to the Deutz
sale. But after Agco bought Deutz-Allis, other than the name Agco-Allis - what did the transaction get Agco as far as AC design influenced
tractors?

In my readings about the WD45, I've been reading much about AC and their history - but haven't found much on what if any AC design went into the
Duetz-Allis or Agco-Allis tractors.

Just curious - any comments are much appreciated.

Thanks!
Bill

As soon as the transaction was completed, all existing Orange tractor inventory in West Allis, or on Dealers lots, had "Deutz-Allis" decals placed right over the top of the existing Allis-Chalmers decals. So one day you could have had an Allis-Chalmers 8050 tractor on your dealership lot and the next day it was a Deutz-Allis 8050. There were never any Deutz colored tractors built in West Allis....NONE. Likewise, there were zero Orange blooded tractors ever built in Germany....NONE. The Deutz management took the A-C 6000 and 8000 series tractors and threw them in the trash can. Gleaner combines soon were powered with Deutz air-cooled engines. Large Deutz-Allis tractors (130 PTO HP and up) came from White (like a 2-135 etc) with small changes to the cab frontal area and a Deutz air-cooled engine and were called the 9100 series. Every A-C tractor design or experimental was scrapped. It was impossible to sell a Customer a new D-A tractor that didn't have a power shift at least as good as his old 7040 A-C had, or an FWA axle that didn't have an on-the-go engagement clutch. Pretty sad times for old Allis dealers until the 9600 series came out.

9100s were built along side whites in Coldwater ohio. They have manually engaged fwd axles, they are great machines. The 3 speed power shift is white/oliver design, basically bullet proof. There's nothing sad about these tractors. Oh and 9600s are still the same as whites 6100s, the orange ones were air cooled, silver had cummins. I have a 9170 and I love it.

Those tractors were built in the Gleaner combine Plant in Independence, Missouri in the beginning. I don't remember the 9100's in Coldwater. I remember the 9700's in Coldwater in 1999 as I was there for a School. Sad day for an A-C dealer, yessireee. Lost the largest cab in the industry on the 8000 A-C and while the White over-under-direct was a reliable unit, it still couldn't match the A-C power shift in many applications like hauling corn and beans down the road in big wagons.

I was a Deutz dealer until I ran out of money in 1981 mostly because I started with none so I went to work for another Deutz dealer and then for a large dealer that had A.C and several other lines. When Deutz bought A.C they relabled all the orange tractors as Deutz-Allis and renumbered the green ones to fit A.C's number system and changed the name on them to Deutz-Allis too. They finished building all the 6060 and 6080's that A.C had parts for but they up graded the thrust bearings in the block to take the pressure from the clutch that A.C was buying with the drive train from Fiat. They also recalled all of the 6080's and added a external thrust bearing and replaced bearings and some short blocks depending on how far the crankshaft was moving forward and back. Then ended production in West Allis. I don't think Deutz ever owned that factory.I think the deal with White to make the 3 biggest tractors was made before they bought A.C. Deutz had a model DX8.?? that they told us they wouldn't bring from Germany because it cost too much. Stories were that it had a auto trans could out run a 225hp Steiger and use half the fuel.I never saw one except a few 8.30s that were kinda striped down versions. Deutz let our service rep and sales rep go and kept the A.C guys that never learned how to sell the Deutz tractor.They wanted to sell against obsolete tractors because we didn't have a power shift. My favorite demo was to take on a hot 4020 powershift with my 85Hp syncro trans and a engine that could pull like the old Mack truck's Maxidine great torque at any rpm that sold close to 80 tractors for me. The A.C guys butted heads until the Germans told them they could buy it and do it their way and that became AGCO Then to get even they made a 10 year marketing deal with no numbers and asked the dealers to pay for the green tractors when they ordered them , cut the discount and offered no financing. Someone said the Germans had good engineers but lawyers?.

Thanks for the info! AC certainly has a different story in their business - being so diversified. Reading about them, it seems like what could work against them did the last decade of business, be it high interest rates, economy downturns or even EPA regulations.

Thanks again,
Bill