I-60 Won't Move / Clutch not Working

PraSand

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The vehicle won't move. Apparently, the Clutch is failing - maybe, maybe not. When it's in gear, the wheels do lock!

Now, the dipstick near the right leg reveals brownish VERY thick - as in clumped onto the dip - bad smell. It's thin when warm, and solid when near freezing - obviously waterlogged and bad.

At first we were going to just tighten the clutch - which I may have to do - bit we are wondering if it is this oil that is really the problem.

Anyhow, starting from the front of the unit:

fill spot 1 - Appears to be for hydraulics - thus Hydraulic Oil.
fill spot 2 - UNKNOWN with thick bad oil. This dipstick is kinda different - has a little "canister" near top.
fill spot 3 - A pinkish oil. Not Sure.
fill spot 4 - Appears to be for engine - thus Engine Oil.

I would appreciate any knowledge regarding the lack of motion or clutch OR better identifying (all of) the OILS above!

I don't know if I'm suppose to put 80/90 in there or not?
 
The one in frt. behind grill is power strg.[plug w/canister] typ.a fluid.The one by your leg use 10/30 or type A.The rear end & hyd. uses 10/30.ad kerosene to these run to mix up,drain rear ,forward&reverse FILL w/10-30 and check operation.RON
 
I am appreciative of your reply, Ron! ...

{ I understand the cleaning procedure mentioned using kerosene, thanks! }

I would like to add some new information...

I removed what was thought to be a breather-only cap... NOT! Another dip stick!!!

I thereafter inspected the subsystems to gather further detail.

So, the revised list is as follows:

Spot 1 is nearest the forks side of the machine - bigger wheels.
Spot 5 is nearest the radiator/counterweight side of the machine - smaller wheels.

(Curver roof overhead - it IS an I-60.)

fill spot 1 - WAS 1 - Hydraulic Oil for Lifting. My associate has already added Hydraulic Oil of some kind - hope thats OK.
fill spot 2 - NEW - Orange oil. It's just like red hydraulic oil, except that it's orange. Appears Quite Empty. Can-Breath Cap.
fill spot 3 - WAS 2 - Dark grey oil. It's clearly bad. It gets almost solid when the temp is near H2O-freeze. It "smells" quite bad. Appears Over Full, however, I suspect a bunch of volume has been gained by "foaming"/suspension. Cylinder-No-Breath Cap.
fill spot 4 - WAS 3 - Pink oil. Appears Quite Empty. Can Cap.
fill spot 5 - WAS 4 - Black oil. It's clearly time to change this. Low. Standard Loop Cap.

At this time, it appears to me that:

spot 1 - For Lifting - I ASSUME Hydraulic Oil or Good Tractor Fluid is allowed.
spot 2 - [ Gear Shifter is here. Axle is here.] This is a transmission/transaxle/torque converter/differential/whatever? Use ??? Oil (it's orange).
spot 3 - [Forward Reverse is here.] [Clutch may interface here.] [THIS IS INTERCOOLED!] This is a universal gear or whatever to provide for forward - neutral - reverse. Use ??? Oil (it's thick dark grey gunk).
spot 4 - [Hydraulic Steering appears to be here.] [Clutch MAY interface here - perhaps it's just a spring.] Use ??? Oil (it's pink).
spot 5 - [Engine is here.] I'm not sure what's recommended in these diesel engines for -30C or so operation???

Thanks to those of you brave enough to read this :)


Jay
 
I assume you have an I-60 forklift, since you mentioned forks.
From the front of this machine, #1 dipstick is for the differential,
89W90 gear oil. #2 is the tranny, Universal hy-tran is fine. #3 is
Power director(shuttle clutch), again hy-tran. #4 is on the left side,
behind operator's position, Hyd compartment, again Hy-tran. #5 is
motor oil. # 6 is the power steering hole, 5W20 non detergent. If I
got any wrong, I'm sure someone will jump in.
 
Thanks Dave!

However, I'm not too sure how your list jives with my list and whats different.

I'll take your message with me and take another look - see what I missed.
 
Hi Dave,

I would appreciate a look at the attached picture for confirmation and a question or two. Three fill spots are visible.

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Visible Spots from Left to Right, integrating your info:

#1 dipstick is for the differential, 89W90 gear oil.

#2 is the tranny, Universal hy-tran is fine.

#3 is Power director(shuttle clutch), again hy-tran.

Q1: Do we have the above right?

#1 is currently quite low and is orangish in color.

#2 is currently that thick greyish sludge.

#3 is currently quite low and is pinkish in color.

Do the current colors of the fluids make sense to you? ...

Does Differential 80W90 appear clearish orange after aging ?

Does Tranny Hy-Tran appear thick grey after aging ?

Does Power Director Hy-Tran appear clearish pink after aging ?

I have NOT identified your #4 as "on the left side, behind operator's position, Hyd compartment, again Hy-tran."

( #5 motor oil is obvious )

I have NOT identified your #6 as "power steering hole, 5W20 non detergent"

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It appears as though by design or bypass repair, the steering cylinder (looks like just a normal Hydraulic Cylinder), is connected to the #3 system, the pinkish one, near the bottom. Comments on this would be MOST HELPFUL and possibly explain the pink fluid.

THANKS SUPER DUPER BUNCHES !!!!
 
Just so I know we are talking apples to apples, here, is your
tractor a reversed forklift? Big wheels on the front? OK, as to
colors of fluids, grey to chocolate most likely is water in the oil.
Pink might be that someone dumped ATF into the compartment,
believing that is what should be used. On a used tractor, I
would never be surprised what someone has dumped into it. 1,
2, 3, sounds right. #4, look at your picture, under the gas tank.
See the round breather cap, by the 2 wires? It has a dip stick
about 6" long, attached to the bottom, unless someone broke it
off. # 6 is a cylindrical object 2-3" tall, about 1-1/4" in
diameter, behind the radiator, toward the right side, down into
the front casting. Hope this helps some.
 
Just so I know we are talking apples to apples, here, is your tractor a reversed forklift? Big wheels on the front?

From my understanding, Chalmers created this I-60 Forklift by utilizing one of their established tractor frame designs - apparently, that's why it has that appearance.

#4, look at your picture, under the gas tank. See the round breather cap, by the 2 wires? It has a dip stick about 6" long, attached to the bottom, unless someone broke it off.

HOLD UP!!! Wasn't it our understanding that this is #3???

# 6 is a cylindrical object 2-3" tall, about 1-1/4" in diameter, behind the radiator, toward the right side, down into the front casting.

Hmmm. I guess that the "cylindrical object" of #6 is EXACTLY like the "cylindrical object" in my attached picture.

I'm thinking I need a better picture(s) :

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Is there another dipstick further forward of the gearshift lever? I see
the tranny fill, and the PD fill (these are the closest to each other).
Yes, the cap for the PD, and the PS cap are similar, if not the same.
If your PD is out of oil, could be major work ahead for you. Is your
shuttle clutch on the right hand side as you are sitting on the seat,
looking forward at the forks?
 
Is there another dipstick further forward of the gearshift lever?

The only one I am aware of is the place where the other worker said it was for the lifting hydraulics. ( This container is kinda like a drum sitting horizontal between the fork uprights. )

I see the tranny fill, and the PD fill (these are the closest to each other).

Whoa. I thought the close ones were the Differential and the Tranny? - top photo - right is diff, left is tranny - no?

Yes, the cap for the PD, and the PS cap are similar, if not the same.

PS is Power Steering?

Interestingly, I think they may have bypassed the entire PS system - but that's another discussion.

(note: The top photo only shows two fill spots - the bottom one shows three. On the bottom photo, it's the first and the third that have similar caps.)

If your PD is out of oil, could be major work ahead for you.

Yikes, WHY?

Is your shuttle clutch on the right hand side as you are sitting on the seat, looking forward at the forks?

Here's what I do know. As I sit down and look toward the forks, there is a long lever on the left that's marked "FWD-NEU-REV". Also on the left, but just off center as shown in photo 1of2, is the gear shifter - some sort of reversed H pattern. Then, there is a pedal on the left that I have been told to use as clutch.

Thanks bunches Dave.
 
Just checked my D-15, today, you are right, the 2 fill points closest
to each other, #1 is tranny/differential. #2 is PD/shuttle clutch. #3
is hyd. #4 is motor, #5 is PS. There is no #6. Hope this makes it
clear as mud! Gorgot to mention, if you take the side plate off the
PD compartment, you can at least get a look at the PD/shuttle
clutch. It is the plate with the 2 cooler lines coming out of it, LS,
under your heel.
 

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