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old

12-30-2012 14:46:41
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Do you mean as in taking it out of gear??? Is yes then yes there is a lever on the side some place to do so. I can not say for sure where on a D-15 but on the D-17 it is down by the clutch pedal. All tractors that I have ever seen had a way to take the PTO in and out of gear if they did not then they would be a major safety factor




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Larry Stinson

12-30-2012 15:14:10
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to old, 12-30-2012 14:46:41  
right next to the clutch is a lever. Shuttle clutch lever? Seems to have a forward, neutral and reverse.



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Diydave

12-30-2012 16:21:32
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 15:14:10  
Not sure where the pto is on a tractor, with the shuttle clutch. Likely it is on the right side. Pto lever was always shorter than the height of the transmission.



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Bob Bancroft

12-30-2012 15:42:51
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 15:14:10  
Yes, the PTO lever is down on the left side, kind of inside the foot clutch pedal. If the PTO is not under load, you can pull the lever back quickly to disengage it. You can, depending on the load, sort of "unload" the PTO by momentarily pulling the throttle back, thereby letting you pull the PTO out of gear.



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Larry Stinson

12-30-2012 16:22:35
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-30-2012 15:42:51  
So just leave it in the neutral position if I want the pto disengaged?



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Bob Bancroft

12-30-2012 16:31:56
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 16:22:35  
There's a little confusion here. Do you have a power director,(low, neutral, high) on the right side of the tractor? The long lever with the button on the top, that locks in neutral? Or do you have a shuttle clutch? Similar lever on the left side with forward, neutral, and reverse? Wherever the PTO lever is, there should only be two positions- forward for engaged, back for off.



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Marshall Thompson

01-14-2013 21:42:11
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-30-2012 16:31:56  
I have a D15 -2 with the lever on the right with the push button that I thought was a shuttle clutch. I push the button down, move the lever forward and the tractor goes forward in whatever the gear the tractor is in. I pull the lever back and I move in reverse. I've been reading that this lever is for high and low. I'm confused. My regular clutch is burnt out and all I have is the Power Direction Clutch. How do I take advantage of the high/low feature?

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Bob Bancroft

01-15-2013 04:46:09
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Marshall Thompson, 01-14-2013 21:42:11  
The clutch in question can be set up as either a "power director"(hi-lo), or shuttle clutch, but not both at once. There are a bunch of little jack shafts and gears about in the middle of the torque housing that need to be changed to accomplish this.



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Larry Stinson

12-30-2012 16:52:50
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-30-2012 16:31:56  
I don't have the lever on the right side with the push button. I have a lever on the left side right next to the clutch. That has forward, (im assuming a neutral) and back. So pulling that back stops the PTO?



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Bob Bancroft

12-30-2012 17:01:13
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 16:52:50  
The PTO lever is a little short thing, that's basically flat steel. Forward should be engaged, rearward, disengaged. A shuttle clutch lever would be a long, cast iron lever with a neutral locking button like the power director lever.



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Larry Stinson

12-30-2012 17:06:28
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-30-2012 17:01:13  
Yes that's it. Just a flat bar lever. Its not the shuttle lever your describing with the push button locking neutral. That I don't have on my D15. With the PTO disengaged, is it ok to drive the tractor?



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Bob Bancroft

12-30-2012 17:15:54
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 17:06:28  
Certainly. It sounds as if someone removed the power director lever? So the only clutch you have is the foot clutch? Just 4 forward speeds and 1 reverse? So now you have no live PTO? And a dangerous run-away situation if you try to run a bush hog without an over running clutch?



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Larry Stinson

12-30-2012 17:28:39
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-30-2012 17:15:54  
They must have removed the PD. I do not have the PD lever. So yes the only clutch I have is the foot clutch with 4 forward gears & reverse. Right directly behind the foot clutch is a foot pedal. I step on to go forward or reverse. When its sitting flat its in neutral. From what your describing sounds like someone converted the PD lever to the foot pedal. Because I have looked in all my books and don't see any foot pedal for going forward or reverse

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Diydave

12-31-2012 05:49:53
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 17:28:39  
Larry, there's no telling without pictures, what you have. Originally, D-15 ag tractors would have a PD hi-lo, on the RS, with a PTO lever, on the left, right behind the clutch. PTO is semi-live, with this set-up. You can snap the PD into neutral, and the PTO stays running, while the tractor coasts, or stops. To put the PTO into gear, you have to step on the clutch.

Now here's where complications arise, They also made the yellow line (construction) D-15, and it's later counterparts, the I-60, and I-600. These yellow tractors were available with a shuttle (F-R) clutch, on the left side of the tranny. Also they made later models 615, and the RL451 loader, on the D-15 base chassis. The RL451, was a reversed loader, with the same Shuttle clutch, only I think it used the foot pedal, you describe, as your tractor has. The main complication is, that there are several models of tractor, that can be assembled like a giant tinkertoy, as the components all readily bolt right up. With enough engineers, a tractor can end up looking far different, than it did when it left the factory. Look in Swinford's construction book, if you want the full story.

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Bob Bancroft

12-30-2012 17:42:17
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 17:28:39  
OK, so it's been modified. When built by AC, it would have had a power director, or a shuttle clutch. The clutch is basically the same, just the gearing to it is changed. On some machines with shuttle clutch lever(mounted on the left) there is also a foot pedal, or "treadle" You should still have a neutral with that. When the shuttle clutch was installed, reverse was blocked out. So you had forward and reverse in each of four gears.

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Larry Stinson

12-30-2012 17:50:27
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-30-2012 17:42:17  
That's correct. It must have been modified. Hell maybe a one armed guy owned it or something. That's why I've been confused on the PTO lever. My Allis looks nothing like the ones in the book. Seems like all my "gals" look nothing like whats in the book.

Thanks again for all your help fellas. I'm sure I'll have more questions later on. :)



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12-30-2012 16:58:50
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 Re: D15 live PTO in reply to Larry Stinson, 12-30-2012 16:52:50  
Is that lever on the left side close to the clutch pedal and a flat piece of steel say about 1/4 inch thick?? And does it have a sort of dog long to it?? If yes good chance that is the PTO lever and one way is engaged PTO and the other disengaged PTO



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