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Allis C diesel engine swap

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Drak

08-25-2012 11:41:32
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Good Day to you all
I have found a massy fergison 135 3 cylinder perkins diesel engine in good working order, does eny one know if its possible to fit it on my allis "C" with a few modifications.
I have heard this is possible but would like some advice before i go ahead and purchase something that will not fit, i am lead to believe its possible with the aid of a plate adapter installed between the engine and the bell housing

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Brian Jasper co. Ia

08-26-2012 19:55:31
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
They did What you're trying to do in England. It was either the English B or D270 that they installed a Perkins diesel in.



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Aaron SEIA

08-26-2012 14:21:04
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
I think if you can fab a torque tube, that'd be the easiest. You'd have to find a way to mount the clutch, but otherwise, its the better way to go.

AaronSEIA



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jk

08-26-2012 13:46:20
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
a d-14 engine will bolt up with the only serious issue being that you need special bolts to bolt the front end back on the front on the engine



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Drak

08-26-2012 09:24:31
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
Hi Steve
The engine has all the origonal parts except the manifold and water pump, so starter etc not an issue, i was thinking rather than fabricate a plate to re-design and fabricate a new torque tube to accomodate the diesel engine and clutch assembly of the 135, i could probably fabricate from say 4" heavy duty pipe and say 12-14" pipe for the bell housing,I work on a refinary so access to material and a mill and leathe would be no issue, what you think, would this be a better way to go

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CTucker

08-26-2012 08:10:22
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
I was thinking of trying to swap that engine into my OC46 loader but I don't have the engine. I think it would make a NICE track loader.



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Aaron SEIA

08-26-2012 07:32:23
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
I'm pretty sure you'd be the first. All you'd have to do is measure the length to see how well it fits, make a bell housing adapter, find a way to use the C flywheel, and hope the 135 engine has the starter attached to it, as the C one probably won't turn a diesel over.
AaronSEIA



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Aaron SEIA

08-26-2012 05:47:47
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
It'd take a lot of work, but I think it'd be kind've neat if done right. It's not like the C was a rare tractor. If you have the time, talent, and finances, I say go for it.

AaronSEIA



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Drak

08-26-2012 06:36:37
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Aaron SEIA, 08-26-2012 05:47:47  
Yes I would like to take it on, i have all the work shop support i would need but would like to have some direction from some one who has done a similar project, so i guess i will shelve this idea, at least for the momment



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steve(ill)

08-26-2012 07:12:56
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-26-2012 06:36:37  
I have not done this specific job, but here are some details. --FIrst, the turque tube bell housing has to match the motor rear face. If not, you have to have a plate machined with two sets of holes so each unit will bolt to the plate.
--second, the shafts from the motor and transmission (clutch) have to be in alignment, so the plate needs to be manufactured on a mill or lathe, or similare to hold close tolerances.
---next, you have to decide what clutch your going to use ? You would need the flywheel and starter off the diesel, and what clutch? If you use the diesel clutch, will it fit inside the bell housing ? What about the transmission input shaft, how does it pilot into the end of the crank shaft ? Pilot bushing size ? Is the shaft too short with the adaptor plate installed ? Does the original throw out bearing in the bell housing line up with the new clutch fingers ? This takes several days of layout, planning and machinine to make it work.

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john Owen Morris

08-25-2012 23:35:03
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
Thanks, enough said !! better I attend to the origonal gas engine keep it the way it was born (origonal) and forget my crazy ideas !!



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old

08-25-2012 12:39:22
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
By the time you have it done you will probably have more $$ tied up in it then it would cost to buy a MF 135 or a whole running C if not both



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rustyfarmall

08-25-2012 12:18:19
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 Re: Allis C diesel engine swap in reply to Drak, 08-25-2012 11:41:32  
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Anything is possible with enough determination and a good machine shop. Most likely you will need to fabricate most of the parts from scratch.



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