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3-point hitch adapter for WD45

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dgerleman

04-24-2012 10:45:02
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Did Allis sell their own 3-point hitch/lift adapter for the WD45?




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Aaron SEIA

04-24-2012 19:04:36
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-24-2012 10:45:02  
There is one on eBay now.

AaronSEIA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120901047403?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649#ht_500wt_1413



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Brian G. NY

04-25-2012 15:57:52
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-24-2012 10:45:02  

A assume these hitches originally had some A-C logo but mine are so old there is nothing but remnants of orange paint.
The first picture shows the hitch when set up to use the traction booster feature.
The second picture shows the stabilizer set-up when using the 3 PH in the normal manner.
You will note that when the hitch is set-up for traction booster, PTO driven equipment cannot be used as the top link would be in the way.

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dgerleman

04-25-2012 19:34:44
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Brian G. NY, 04-25-2012 15:57:52  
Bob,

The pictures wolfman sent have clarified several issues. I now see how the Beaming Tube was used. The last question I have is how the stabilizer is attached. Would you describe that?

Thanks again for all your help. I am planning to see the adapter tomorrow morning in the flesh.



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Brian G. NY

04-25-2012 20:37:35
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-25-2012 19:34:44  
The eyebolts on the wide part of the stabilizer bolt to the brackets on the pull arms in place of the top-link bar shown in the diagram and on Wolfman's unit.
The narrow part of the stabilizer fastens to the drawbar hangers (brackets) using a long pin.



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dgerleman

04-26-2012 05:48:27
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Brian G. NY, 04-25-2012 20:37:35  
Brian,

I now understand. Thank you for clarifying these issues. I definitely want one with the stabilizer.

I wonder what my chances are of finding a stabilizer if the one I am seeing today doesn't have one? Have you ever seen one advertised?



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Brian G. NY

04-26-2012 16:08:10
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-26-2012 05:48:27  
I"ve never seen the stabilizer come up for sale.
The only one I"ve personally seen was on a D-17.



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dgerleman

04-27-2012 06:07:39
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Brian G. NY, 04-26-2012 16:08:10  
Brian,

I went to look at the adapter yesterday and it was a bust. It was not an original AC model and a poor imitation at that. So the search is on. But at least this time I know what I want. Thanks for the education!



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dgerleman

04-25-2012 18:44:13
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Brian G. NY, 04-25-2012 15:57:52  
Brian,

I thought of a couple more questions for you. Were both versions of the adapter originally sold together as a package?

Was the purpose of the beaming tube to eliminate or reduce sway? That looks like it was originally sold separately and perhaps accounts for their scarcity.



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Brian G. NY

04-25-2012 20:24:28
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-25-2012 18:44:13  
Actually, there were several versions, including Cat I & Cat II models, others specifically for high crop tractors and units built for the little D-10s and D-12s.
The Buyer would purchase the one that best fit his needs.
If the main use was for plowing, discing and other non-PTO jobs, he would probably buy the one with the top link down between the pull arms so as to allow full use of the Allis "Traction Booster" feature.
On the other hand, if the buyer needed to use it for PTO equipment, he would opt for the unit with
top-link bracket on the rocker shaft. The D-14, D-15 and D-17 tractors used a bolt on top link bracket in place of the clamp-on style.
The parts are interchangable, so a farmer could have one 3-PH with the correct pieces to use it in either configuration.
The "Beaming Tube" is simply Allis' name for the top-link and had nothing to do with reducing sway.

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Brian G. NY

04-25-2012 16:26:13
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Brian G. NY, 04-25-2012 15:57:52  

And......Here are the top-link bracket and top-link (Beaming Screw).
These pieces are even more hard to come by than the 3-PH adaptor itself; expect to pay big bucks!



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dgerleman

04-25-2012 18:10:39
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Brian G. NY, 04-25-2012 16:26:13  
Thanks a million for the diagrams! This is exactly what I need.



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wolfman

04-24-2012 18:30:23
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-24-2012 10:45:02  
Yes. Dad bought one from the local AC dealership in the late 50s. We've used it on the 45 and a couple 17s. Far and away the best-designed 3-pt adaptor for ACs.



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dgerleman

04-25-2012 05:27:20
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to wolfman, 04-24-2012 18:30:23  
Dear Wolfman,

Can you describe this adapter so as not to confuse it with a third party version? Or better yet, can you attach a picture. Could you use yours with the power take-off? I am planning to look at one for possible purchase and would like to know what I am buying. Does yours have any identifying marks?

Thanks for the assistance.



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wolfman

04-25-2012 08:46:48
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-25-2012 05:27:20  
The AC conversion snaps into the snap bell like a snap-coupler plow, upright arms latch onto the lift-arm latches (like a plow or other sc implement. Lower links are made to widen &/or narrow; Has its own toplink attached nice & low to the hitch itself. It's category II. I'll try to attach a picture tonight (not sure I know how).



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wolfman

04-25-2012 18:31:03
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to wolfman, 04-25-2012 08:46:48  

Pics of AC s.c. 3-pt



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wolfman

04-25-2012 18:33:14
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to wolfman, 04-25-2012 18:31:03  

It worked!



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Brian G. NY

04-25-2012 20:06:12
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to wolfman, 04-25-2012 18:33:14  
Hey Wolfman, you"ve got a beautiful speciman there; right down to the original little crank on the adjustable lift link. I can see a lot of guys salivating over that one!! LOL
I have two examples; one with the top-link bracket like yours and another with the top-link bracket that clamps onto the rocker shaft to allow use of PTO equipment.
Both are pretty rough and I"m missing a few things; like that neat little crank.
Neither do I have the anti-sway mechanism that I posted a diagram of.
I do use the A-C snap-coupler 3-PH on my WD sometimes for bushhogging.
My D-17 has a homemade 3-PH on it which is pretty decent. The good thing about 3-PH on the D-17 is that the drawbar remains on the tractor along with the 3-PH.
Thanks for posting the pictures of your hitch.
It is a wonderful example!

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dgerleman

04-25-2012 19:25:11
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to wolfman, 04-25-2012 18:33:14  
Thank you, Wolfman!

All is revealed. I can see the function of the beaming tube and why the crosslink tube blocks the power takeoff. Check out the diagram sent by Bob for the Stabilizer. Do you own this Stabilizer? Do you know how it attaches to the main adapter? It kind of looks like the top tube on the stabilizer is the connecting point for the beaming tube.

THanks again for the great pictures.

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wolfman

04-26-2012 10:48:58
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-25-2012 19:25:11  
For plowing & carrying round bales I never use the stabilizing chains. Note them hanging in the pics. They have drug along the ground over many acres of plowing and when hitch is raised they are off the ground. For PTO work, I unhook the entire 3-pt and use the tractors standard drawbar. I never cared for a hydraulic drawbar when PTO is used - too much danger of accidental lift and U-joint damage. For a 3-pt rotary mower, etc., you want some lateral sway anyway.

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BushogPapa

04-24-2012 18:29:08
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-24-2012 10:45:02  
Mine is after-market and works real well...

Mine snaps into the Snap-Coupler and is sort of a "Wishbone" back to the rear ends.. I did cut part of the inside gusset away, so I could put two vertical plates on the outside of the "Bail" that act as "Elephant Ears, or sway stops... Eliminates the "sway chains" it needed before.. THAT Really made it work well...!!!

Ron..



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DiyDave

04-24-2012 17:44:58
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-24-2012 10:45:02  
The OEM AC adapter kits were not plentiful, but not rare, I have 3 or 4 around here. You have to remember that these adapters were primarily for mounted, non powered equipment. IIRR, WD's, and 45's interchanged with D-17's. There were also kits for early D-10's, 12's, 14'a and 15's. Later D-10's and 12's and 17's also had factory mounted 3 point hitches, that bolted directly on the tractors, in place of the snap coupler equipment. The bolt ons (at least the 10's and 12's) leave much to be desired, as the bolts holding them on all screw up into the bottom of the rear, and forward and back stress tends to loosen the bolts, and let them rip out of the rear, if not checked, periodically. Best bolt on was the late model D-17, IMHO.

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R Aiken

04-24-2012 14:21:37
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-24-2012 10:45:02  
Yes they made them. I have 2 of them for a WD45.



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Brian G. NY

04-24-2012 14:42:01
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to R Aiken, 04-24-2012 14:21:37  
I also have 2; well remnants anyway.
One version used a top link bracket attached to the rocker shaft.
They made another that used a bracket down on the 3 point pull arms for the top link attachment point.
The second version allowed the operator to make full use of the "Traction-Booster" feature.
Some of the pieces are worth their weight in gold today; especially the original top-link bracket that clamped on the rocker shaft and the
original top link that featured a spoked adjustment wheel.

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dgerleman

04-25-2012 05:43:34
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Brian G. NY, 04-24-2012 14:42:01  
Brian,

Are there any identifying marks or decals on the adapter or do you have to identify them by design?



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Bevan

04-24-2012 14:17:58
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to dgerleman, 04-24-2012 10:45:02  
I have never seen an AC 3 pt conversion. All the ones have been aftermarket or home made.



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Bevan

04-24-2012 14:48:16
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 Re: 3-point hitch adapter for WD45 in reply to Bevan, 04-24-2012 14:17:58  
Well thats a new one on me. Must be quite, quite rare.



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